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Are Our Wellbeing Measures Doing More Harm Than Good? Podcast with Dr. Peggy Kern

Are Our Wellbeing Measures Doing More Harm Than Good?

Podcast with Dr. Peggy Kern

DELIVERED BY The Wellbeing Lab

Today’s Guest:

Dr. Peggy Kern is a senior lecturer at the University of Melbourne’s Graduate School of Education in the Center for Positive Psychology. Originally trained in Social-Personality and Development Psychology, Peggy’s research examines the question of who flourishes in life physically, mentally and socially, and she’s one of the world’s leading researchers on the subject of measuring wellbeing, particularly using the PERMA pillars.

In this episode, we explore new research to understand why most wellbeing workplace measures and strategies are falling short, and the small practical changes we can make to help more people to thrive at work.

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You’ll Learn:

  • [02:43] – Peggy explains the surprising findings of a new survey on wellbeing across Australian workplaces, and what this might mean for other workplaces.
  • [08:24] – Peggy explores how our current approaches to measuring wellbeing may have unintentionally created more stigma for people who are struggling.
  • [10:58] – Peggy shares her concerns for how wellbeing is being taught in schools and what this could mean for workplaces as well.
  • [12:23] – Peggy suggests workplaces need to embrace wellbeing diversity, just as they are starting embrace neurodiversity.
  • [13:38] – Peggy explains why wellbeing is a not a solo endeavor in workplaces, and how teams and organizations impact people’s wellbeing at work.
  • [17:09] – Peggy shares some practical strategies emerging from the research that workplaces can use to help support their people’s wellbeing.
  • [20:23] – Peggy explains why workplaces shouldn’t be aiming for perfect wellbeing scores, and what they monitor instead to determine the success of their programs.
  • [22:49] – Peggy Completes the Lightning round.

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